Many organizations like Opera, Adobe, Yahoo, WOW, and WaSP InterAct have been diligently working to develop curricula and outreach programs to help schools better prepare their students for a career on the Web. OWEA will bring many education initiatives together in a broad collaborative.

“ The mission of the Open Web Education Alliance Incubator Group, part of the Incubator Activity, is to help enhance and standardize the architecture of the World Wide Web by facilitating the highest quality standards and best practice based education for future generations of Web professionals through such activities as:

• fostering open communication channels for knowledge transfer
• curriculum sharing between corporate entities, educational institutions, Web professionals, and students ”

- The Open Web Education Alliance Charter

OWEA’s origins can be traced back to Web Directions North in Denver in February, where WaSP emeritus and CSS Samuri John Allsopp brought together educators, industry experts, and representatives of the W3C to explore ways of uniting the various education efforts already underway. Four months later, OWEA has transformed from a collection of ideas at a meeting to a W3C incubator group. The Web Standards Project has a strong representation in OWEA, and will be contributing content from InterAct to the initiative.

This is a huge step towards improving web education! Want to stay informed? Subscribe to the WaSP InterAct Twitter feed.

Accessibility Task Force member, Bruce Lawson, interviews Hixie on how the specification for the next generation of the Web’s markup language is shaping up. Disclosure of affiliations: both work for browser vendors—Bruce for Opera, Hixie for Google (and previously, Opera and Netscape).

The spec now known as HTML 5 began with a "guerilla" group called WHATWG. How and why did the WHATWG begin?

The short answer is the W3C told us to.

The long answer: Back in 2003, when XForms was going through its final stages (the "Proposed Recommendation" vote stage), the browser vendors were concerned that it wouldn’t take off on the Web without being made a part of HTML, and out of that big discussion (which unfortunately is mostly hidden behind the W3C’s confidentiality walls) came a proof of concept showing that it was possible to take some of XForms’ ideas and put then into HTML 4. We originally called it "XForms Basic", and later renamed it "WebForms 2.0". This formed the basis of what is now HTML 5.

In 2004, the W3C had a workshop, the "The W3C Workshop on Web Applications and Compound Documents", where we (the browser vendors) argued that it was imperative that HTML be extended in a backwards-compatible way. It was a turning point in the W3C’s history—you could tell because at one point RedHat, Sun, and Microsoft, arch-rivals all, actually agreed on something, and that never happens.

The outcome of that workshop was that the W3C concluded that HTML was still dead, as had been decided in a workshop in 1998, and that if we wanted to do something like HTML 5, we should go elsewhere. So we announced a mailing list, and did it there.

At the time I was working for Opera Software, but "we" in this case was Opera and Mozilla acting together (with Apple cheering us from the sidelines).

How did you become editor?

I was at the right place at the right time and everyone else was too busy.

How do you personally go about editing the spec and incorporating feedback? What are your processes?

This has varied over the years, as we’ve gone from a nascent organisation with a few dozen people to a well-established project with a mailing list with 900+ subscribers. Mostly it’s all down to managing e-mail. When someone writes feedback on the spec, whether by sending an e-mail to one of the mailing lists I’m on, or by blogging somewhere, or twittering, I log their feedback in a folder on my IMAP server. Feedback gets categorised into either feedback I can work on right away, or feedback that I can’t deal with yet for whatever reason. An example of the latter would be requests relating to mutation events, because I’m waiting for DOM3 Events to update how mutation events work.

Then, I just go through all the feedback I have, e-mail by e-mail, more or less in the order that I received them, sending replies and fixing the spec to address the issues that were raised.

This has some disadvantages, for example there’s a big delay in between when someone spots an error and when I fix it. It also has some really important advantages. If I respond to feedback on something I wrote straight after writing it, I sometimes find that I have an attachment to that section, so if someone suggests a total replacement, I tend to not like their idea. But if I have a delay, I find my attachment has gone away, and I’m eager to replace my old stupid idea with their better one. (Assuming it’s better, anyway!)

What’s the hardest thing to do?

There are a few things that are hard. One is saying "no" to people who have clearly spent the time to come up with a good idea. The sad truth is that I reject almost everything that I and anyone else thinks of, because if I didn’t, the spec would be a thousand times more bloated than it is now. We get proposals for all kinds of things, and we have to have a very high bar for what goes in. There’s also the danger that if we add too many things to the spec too quickly, the browser vendors will each implement their own bit and it’ll be a big mess that won’t help Web authors.

So I have to make judgements about what is worth adding and what isn’t, and that’s hard. I’ve upset a lot of people by rejecting their ideas, because they take it personally. On the other hand, some of the most productive members of the community now are people who’ve had many of their ideas rejected, but they stuck around long enough to see a few of their ideas make it in. The best way to get an idea into the spec is to find something in the spec that’s just clearly wrong, which is something that a lot of the most active people do a lot, too!

Something else that’s hard is making up new features. The bulk of HTML 5 is actually just defining how browsers already do things, which, although complicated and sometimes unbelievably arcane, is, at the end of the day, pretty easy to spec: you test the browsers, and you write what they do. Rinse, repeat, until the spec covers every possible case.

Making up new features, though, means actually thinking about what should happen, what is the most understandable solution, figuring out how things should fit together, and so on. It’s often tempting to make something that is theoretically neat, but which doesn’t fit in with the rest of the language, too. After all, that’s where all this came from—we don’t want to create a new XForms, a really well-designed technology that doesn’t fit into the way people write pages.

What’s in the spec?

You’ve said that HTML 5 is in "direct competition with other technologies intended for applications deployed over the Web, in particular Flash and Silverlight". Why is it so important to do so, and isn’t it a lost cause given that those techologies are already out there while HTML 5 is not yet complete?

HTML 4 is also in direct competition with proprietary technologies, and it’s winning, hands-down. HTML5 is just continuing the battle, because if we don’t keep up, then the proprietary technologies will gain ground.

What are the main philosophies of HTML 5?

Backwards-compatibility, incremental baby steps, defining error handling. Those are the main philosophies.

What else did WHATWG try to achieve with this new iteration of HTML?

We started from trying to put features from XForms into HTML 4, and we quickly also took the opportunity to fix some of the things in HTML 4 that were either too vague or disagreed with reality (that is, where the browsers all did one thing but the spec said another). It turns out that HTML 4 is so vague that this is a pretty big task—it even involved defining the whole HTML parsing model, including error handling, which is a huge job (it took me the better part of a month to write the first draft, and we were tweaking it for about a year before it become more or less stable).

Something else we’ve tried to do is make things simpler. We’ve simplified the syntax (e.g. the rules about what can be quoted, what strings are valid ids, etc, are much simpler now). We’ve made things which people used to do in JavaScript have shortcuts, so now you can just say autofocus="" to focus a form field when the page loads, instead of using control.focus(), which allows the browser to do clever things like not actually focus the control if the user is already typing elsewhere.

Does HTML 5 legitimise tag soup? Does "paving the cowpaths" perpetuate bad markup?

No, HTML 5 actually makes the rules for markup even stricter than HTML 4 in many ways, both for authors (the rules are simpler, but stricter, than HTML 4’s) and for implementers (gone are the days where they can just do whatever they want when handling parse errors, now every browser has to act the same).

Hopefully, we’ve managed to make the rules on what is valid syntax more understandable, which should help with getting more good markup. We’ve also made it possible to write clearer validators, so I have high hopes.

Does including JavaScript and DOM APIs in the HTML 5 spec dilute the message about separating behaviour and structure?

I didn’t know about a message about separating behaviour and structure, I must have missed that memo! HTML 5 takes a pretty hard line on separating style and presentation from structure and semantics; there are no more font tags. Separating the logic and behaviour from the structure and semantics of an HTML document isn’t as important, generally, as far as I can tell.

The main advantage of defining the HTML DOM APIs and the HTML elements in the same specification is that we don’t let stuff fall through the cracks. In practice, browsers implement the HTML elements as DOM nodes, there’s no difference. When we separate the two in the specs, therefore, we introduce a conceptual gap where there isn’t one in reality. The DOM2 HTML spec, for instance, doesn’t say what happens when you change the type attribute of an input element from text to checkbox on the fly, and the HTML 4 spec doesn’t mention that changing attributes on the fly is possible, so in the HTML 4 / DOM2 HTML era, there’s a big hole there. In HTML 5, this is all defined together, so we can tighten this up and make sure there are no gaps.

Why no native support for microformats/ RDFa in HTML 5?

Microformats is natively supported in HTML5, just like it was in HTML 4, because Microformats use the built-in extension mechanisms of HTML.

We considered RDFa long and hard (in fact this is an issue that’s a hot topic right now), but at the end of the day, while some people really like it, I don’t think it strikes the right balance between power and ease of authoring. For example, it uses namespaces and prefixes, which by and large confuse authors to no end. Just recently though I proposed something of a compromise which takes some of RDFa’s better ideas and puts them into HTML 5, so hopefully that will take care of the main needs that caused people to invent RDFa. We’ll see.

About browsers

Do the browser makers have too much influence on the spec?

The reality is that the browser vendors have the ultimate veto on everything in the spec, since if they don’t implement it, the spec is nothing but a work of fiction. So they have a lot of influence—I don’t want to be writing fiction, I want to be writing a spec that documents the actual behaviour of browsers.

Whether that’s too much, I don’t know. Does gravity have too much influence on objects on earth? It’s just the way it is.

One of the chairs of the W3C working group is a Microsoft employee. Is that giving too much power to one browser vendor, or a good thing, given that Microsoft’s browsers still dominate and their buy-in on any spec is therefore essential?

Personally I would like Microsoft to get more involved with HTML 5. They’ve sent very little feedback over the years, far less than the other browser vendors. Even when asking them about their opinion on features they are implementing I rarely get any feedback. It’s very sad. If I e-mail them a question about how I can best help them, I usually get no reply; at best I’ll get a promise that they’ll get back to me, but that’s it.

Accessibility

There has been a lot of spirited debate (ahem) about accessibility in the development of HTML 5. How does the spec deal with the requirements of people with disabilities?

Universal access—the requirement that anyone be able to use information on the Web—is a fundamental cornerstone of HTML’s design, just like security, privacy, and so on. In general, we try to design features so that they Just Work for everyone, regardless of how you are accessing the Web. For example, in HTML 5 we’ve added new input controls like calendars. These will Just Work with screen readers once browsers support them, authors don’t have to do anything special.

Does your personal support of humanitarian eugenics affect your opinion of giving extra "help" for people with disabilities?

You’ve been reading too much of our pet troll’s blog! ;-)

[Bruce's note: this refers to Mr Last Week, mysterious author of the blog Last Week in HTML 5, which lampoons the HTML 5 Working Group in very funny, frequently foul-mouthed manner.]

People with disabilities are just as important to me in my work on HTML 5 as is anyone else.

You wrote to ask screenreader vendors to participate in the specification process. Did they ever reply?

A couple did, but only to say they had little time for the standards process, which was quite disappointing. Since then, though, Apple has ramped up their efforts on their built-in Mac OS X screen reader software, and we do get a lot of feedback from Apple. So at least one screen reader vendor is actively involved.

HTML 5 and WAI-ARIA appear to do the same thing in some places. How should developers handle this?

When there’s a built-in way to do something, using that is the simplest and most reliable solution. So for example, if you want to have a checkbox, using the input element with its type attribute set to checkbox is the simplest solution—it’ll work for everyone, with or without JavaScript, with or without a screen reader, and so on. ARIA is useful when HTML doesn’t let you do what you want and you find yourself hacking around with many nested divs, scripting your own controls and so forth.

Can we expect ARIA-specific constructs which have no equivalent in HTML 5, such as live regions, to be allowed under the rules of HTML 5 so it will all validate?

Yes, the plan is to make sure ARIA and HTML5 work well together. Right now I’m waiting for ARIA to be complete (there are a number of last call comments that they haven’t yet replied to), and for the ARIA implementation rules to be clearer (it’s not yet obvious as I understand it what should happen when ARIA says a checkbox is a radio button, for instance). Once that is cleared up, I expect HTML 5 will give a list of conformance criteria saying where ARIA attributes can be used and saying how they should be implemented in browsers.

Why, when, how, who?

Why would we content authors want to move to HTML 5? What’s in it for us?

Today is probably too early to start using HTML 5.

Long term, content authors will find a variety of new features in HTML 5. We have a bunch of new structural elements like section, article, footer, and so on. We have new elements for embedded media, like video and audio. We have new input controls, like the calendars I mentioned, but also fields for URLs, e-mail addresses, telephone numbers, and for color selection. We have control over autocomplete values in text fields, as well as field validation so that you can say which fields are required. We have context menus, pushState() so you can update the URL in Ajax applications, and offline application cache manifests so that your users can take your applications offline. The list goes on.

There’s also the benefits that come from using an HTML 5 validator. HTML 5 is much more precise about many things than HTML 4, so the validators will be more useful in catching real errors. The embed element is no longer invalid.

Are there advantages for end-users, too?

A more powerful HTML means more powerful Web applications. Just like XMLHttpRequest resulted in more interactive apps, HTML 5 will result in a richer and more consistently reliable experience. I hope!

What’s the the timeline? When can we start using HTML 5?

The plan is to have the spec mostly finished by October 2009. A lot depends on the browser vendors, though. I don’t know when things will be implemented widely enough that authors can use them reliably everywhere. Some features, like canvas and video, are getting implemented in most browsers as we speak. Others will take longer.

What can standards-savvy WaSP readers do to get involved with the specification process?

There are a number of ways of taking part. What we need most of all these days is technical review of the specification text, calling out places where I screwed up, where the spec defines something that’s not easy to use for Web authors, where the spec contradicts itself, typos, spelling mistakes, grammar errors, errors in examples, you name it.

I posted a blog entry recently detailing how people can send feedback. You can join the W3C HTML Working Group or the WHATWG. There are also lots of other things people can do—write demos, write tutorials, edit other related specs, write articles introducing parts of the spec on the blog, write test cases… Anyone who wants to help out but doesn’t know where to start should drop me an e-mail at ian@hixie.ch.

Will there ever be an HTML 6, or is it a convenient fiction to park out-of-scope discussions?

I’m sure there will be an HTML 6, and 7, and 8, and probably many more, until someone comes up with something so radically better that we stop evolving the Web as we know it.

I expect work on HTML 6 will start even before HTML 5 is completely done, in fact. Putting the finishing touches on HTML 5 will be a long and tedious job involving writing a massive test suite. HTML 4 never had a serious test suite created (it was too vague as a specification to really be properly tested), so we have to start from scratch with HTML 5. The HTML 6 team will at least be able to build on what we’ve done with HTML 5, I’m jealous!

Actually if it was up to me, after HTML 5 I would probably transition HTML to an incremental model. Once we have a basic spec that is well-defined and has been proven, instead of releasing a frozen snapshot every few years, I’d prefer a model where we can slowly evolve the language, call it "HTML Current" or something, without having to worry about versioning it. To some extent that’s what we’re doing with HTML 5, but I think formalising it would really help.

Having versions of specs doesn’t make sense when you have multiple implementations that are all evolving as well. No browser is ever going to be exactly HTML 5, they’ll all be subsets or supersets. So why bother with versioning the spec?

It’s a very unusual idea in the standards world, so I don’t expect us to do this. But I do think it’d be the best way forward.

Would you like to be the HTML 6 editor?

Too early to tell! It’s been a lot of fun working on HTML 5, it’s quite challenging and you have to deal with all kinds of issues from the deeply technical to the highly political. I might want a change of pace when we’re done with HTML 5, though.

What’s your fave feature that didn’t get into HTML 5 that you’d put into HTML 6?

In-window modal dialogs or dialog box—the kind of prompt you get when the computer asks you a question and won’t let you do anything else until you answer the question. For instance, the window that comes up when you say "Save As…" is usually a modal dialog.

Right now people fake it with divs and complicated styles and script. It would be neat to just be able to say "make this section a modal dialog". Like showModalDialog(), but within the page instead of opening a new window with a new page.

I’d add it to HTML 5, but there are so many new features already that we need to wait for the browsers to catch up.

Finally, is it true that you and Mr Last Week are the same person, like Edward Norton and Brad Pitt in "Fight Club"?

Oh, no. Our pet troll is a phenomenon all to himself.

Thanks for your time.

It’s a huge project and we’re looking for as many volunteers as possible. If you’d like to help translate or help with localizing content for your local education system email the ILG leads and we’ll put you in touch with other volunteers.

Full details abut how to get involved can be found in the Internationalizing and Translating InterAct forum.

Thank you to everyone who’s involved so far!

He says

The plan is to see whether we can shake down the spec and get rid of all the minor problems that have so far been overlooked. Typos, confusion, cross-reference errors, as well as mistakes in examples, errors in the definitions, and major errors like security bugs or contradictions.

Anyone who helps find problems in the spec — however minor — will get their name in the acknowledgements section.

You don’t really need any experience to find the simplest class of problems: things that are confusing! If you don’t understand something, then that’s a problem.

There’s lots to dislike in the spec: my bugbears are the hamstrung time element, the continued use of dd and dt for dialogues. But it’s almost certainly the future of web markup, so this is your chance to influence that future.

In order to ensure you do not fall victim to the worm’s botnet, I2SecC recommends immediate validation of the markup and supporting stylesheets for any Web site that you maintain and correcting any errors that are uncovered. As yet, it is unclear whether the worm will target sites that make use of non-standard DOM scripting; however, a message found by I2SecC researchers in an online forum believed to be from the worm’s creator or a close associate hints that it will: “your document.all are belong to us.”

• the death of hasLayout
• object fallbacks
• stylable legend elements
• generated content (including support for dynamic attribute insertion via attr())
• CSS counters
• support for the quotes property
• outline control
• data URIs
• full access to the style attribute via the DOM
• mutable DOM prototypes
• and much more

This browser is a giant leap forward for standards support at Microsoft, but reviews so far seem mixed. What do you think?

I was priveleged to see a glimpse of this in action at Web Directions North and saw the Shared Passion that was demonstrated by everyone there, and this initiative is nothing less than thrilling. We at WaSP hope that you’re as excited about this as we are.

Please join me in openly congratulating our team members of the WaSP Education Task Force that were so instrumental in planning and executing this unmatched resource: Aarron Walter, Steph Troeth, Leslie Jensen-Inman. There are many more contributors to this project, but without these three, this simply wouldn’t have happened. The three of you are inspirational to us all and give us a taste of what can be accomplished.

It doesn’t end there, though. The web evolves. Web Standards evolve. And so will this resource. If you have a passion for education and making a difference, we’d love to have you involved.

All to often we see great articles in English which get lost in translation for non-English speakers. This can be a real hindrance when trying to keep up to date with web standards not to mention a huge barrier to overcome when you’re trying to convince others to follow web standards. We appreciate how hard it can be sometimes so we thought it was time to do something about it.

Over the last few weeks we’ve been compiling a list of translations of quality articles in our web standards translations page. At the moment we just list articles but over time hope to add a section that references websites and blogs from around the world. To build up this resource we need your help however as we are looking for:

• Translators
• People to help spread the word and find translators
• New articles to add to the resource
• Suggestions or requests for translations

Ideally articles should be hosted on a website that is not only faithful to web standards and accessible, but also what you consider to be a really good quality translation. If you’d like to get involved then either leave us a comment or email the International Liaison group. The more the better!

Castellano (Spanish)

Existen muchos recursos y blogs de gran utilidad en todo el mundo, escritos en diversos idiomas acerca de los estándares web. Sin embargo, de vez en cuando encuentro un escrito en inglés y pienso “Qué fantástico artículo, pero me gustaría que todo mundo pudiera leerlo”.

Muy frecuentemente vemos muy buenos artículos en inglés que se desvirtúan al ser traducidos para personas que no hablan inglés. Esto puede ser un verdadero obstáculo cuando se trata de mantenerse al día con los estándares web, sin mencionar la enorme barrera que debe pasarse cuando tratas de convencer a otros de seguirlos. Como vemos lo difícil que esto puede ser a veces, pensamos que era tiempo de hacer algo al respecto.

Desde hace algunas semanas, hemos estado compilando una lista de traducciones de artículos de calidad en nuestra página de traducciones de estándares web. Actualmente sólo enlistamos artículos, pero con el tiempo esperamos añadir una sección que haga referencia a sitios web y blogs de todo el mundo. Para construir este recurso necesitamos tu ayuda, pues estamos buscando:

• Traductores;
• Personas que nos ayuden a difundir este proyecto y encontrar traductores;
• Nuevos artículos para añadir a la página de recursos;
• Sugerencias o peticiones de traducciones;

Idealmente, los artículos deben estar hospedados en un sitio web que no sólo sea fiel a los estándares web y sea accesible, sino que también consideres que sea una traducción realmente de buena calidad. Si quisieras participar, por favor envía un correo al Grupo Internacional de Enlace (ILG). ¡Entre más seamos, mejor!

Today the Protocols and Formats Working Group of the W3C has announced the Last Call Working Draft for ARIA. This means that the working group believes that this specification is ready to advance to the next stage. We’ll leave the specifics of the W3C Process to the W3C. What you need to know is that you have until March 24, 2009 to provide feedback to the W3C on the working draft.

Accessibility Task Force member James Craig was involved as part of the Protocols and Formats Working Group that has been working on ARIA; many thanks to James for all of his work on this!

Our own Henny Swan (International Liaison Group Co-lead) has put together some questions about the ARIA spec to get you kick started.

Also of note — commentary and criticisms of Safari 4 Beta abound. Did you take a look at the top of the Safari 4 new features list?

Yes, that’s right. Accessibility, including ARIA.

This isn’t something that is years off. This is something that is happening right now, before your eyes and it is important work for the future of creating accessible web applications, so dig in and have a read and provide feedback — even the small things count!

Take it away Bruce!

I was recently lucky enough to travel around some universities in Indonesia, lecturing on emerging web standards as part of an Opera University Tour. In Indonesia, web standards are not widespread although interest is growing. One group who are really on the ball are the team behind the website of Institut Teknologi Bandung, a technology institute who hosted a lecture. I spoke to one of the team, Widianto Nugroho about his work, and standards in the world’s third most populous country.

How big is the ITB web team?

Our team consists of five people, two web designers, and three programmers. We are responsible for development of web application of the ITB website as well as maintaining its day-to-day operation. Websites of other sub-units (faculties, schools, programs, offices, etc.) are run by each unit’s webmasters/admins. We work with other teams, such as the reporter team that is responsible for the content, and sys admin team that responsible for running the servers.

When and why did you decide to use web standards?

Tableless layout was implemented in 2004. Before that, we still used tables for layout purposes due to the lack of browser support before that time, but used valid tags and a proper doctype. We use web standards because:

• we want our web site to be accessible with any browser. During the browser wars, we decided that this was the right direction for developing our site.
• we need interoperability in our information system. There are many applications developed by many teams. The ITB main website is just one of those applications.

Did you meet your goals by using the standards?

Yes. standards make our web works better in any browser, and they give us a good foundation for developing our website in the future.

What is the hardest part about trying to use standards?

It is hard, trying to use standards in the beginning. After that, our job became a lot more easier with standards; we can make any improvement more easily.

Do you have any connection with the W3C?

No, not yet, but my team has proposed ITB to join W3C in the next year. I hope ITB can participate in the development of standards, especially for web technologies for developing countries.

Looking more broadly, how wide-spread are standards in Indonesia? Why? What could be done to encourage use of standards?

I don’t know exactly, but some of web designers/developers and blogger activists that I know are very concerned about web standards. What could be done is through education and workshops about why web standards are important.

What are the biggest challenges facing the web in Indonesia today?

The biggest challenges in my opinion are:

• the habit of developers, especially those who come from pre-tableless era.
• there are no government regulations relating to the technical implementation of the web, such as regulation for governmental websites. The government policy that relates to the IT area is legislation called Undang-undang tentang Informasi dan Transaksi Elektronik or the Law Information and Electronic Transactions, which does not cover web standards, browser compatibility or accessibility issues.

Are web standards taught in schools, universities and other places of education?

No. In secondary school level, there is a vocational type of school that specializes in Informatics/Computer Science (Sekolah Menengah Kejuruan Informatika/SMK Informatika) where web design and development are taught. However, the content of the curriculum in this level is more concentrated on the Web in general, how to build it, and make use of the available tools/software.

The educational system currently employed in primary and secondary schools in Indonesia is decentralized in nature. With this system each educational unit (school) can tailor their own curriculum based on their localities, needs, etc. Hence, the implementation of the web design/development curriculum can be different from one school to another. It is similar to the higher education system; for example, in the Informatics Program here at ITB there is no course about web standards, neither is there in our Visual Communication Design Program.

In other places, most of the courses relate to the tools/software, programming languages and databases such as PHP/MySQL, or to particular platform such as .NET.

How aware is the average web designer about web standards and, if not, why not?

I believe that awareness of web standards is growing among web designers in Indonesia. However, I can’t yet say that all of the designers are using web standards properly. Some designers are submitting their work to CSS showcase such us the CSSmania.com, etc. This situation is supported by significant contributions by some individuals who promote web standards through blogs, mailing lists and forums.

Are there many resources in Bahasa Indonesian?

There are some resources:

Mailing list/Forums:

• Massive Lab Forum massivelab.com (design in general)
• Teknologia @googlegroups (information technology in general)
• WebPM @yahoogroups (practicing web designers/developers)
• Wordpress Indonesia @googlegroups
• Drupal Indonesia @drupal.org

Blogs:

• Boy Avianto
• Thomas Arie Setiawan
• Dani Iswara

Who are the influential bloggers?

Influential bloggers that I know:

• Enda Nasution
• Priyadi Iman Nurcahyo
• Ikhlasul Amal
• Budi Rahardo

A huge thank you from WaSP and for taking the time to be interviewed, and for carrying the web standards torch in Indonesia!