Comments on: Internet Explorer 7 Readiness Toolkit http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/ Working together for standards Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:19:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Alex http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/comment-page-1/#comment-8852 Alex Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:36:12 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/#comment-8852 That's exactly the problem - a browser should not be tied into an OS. The legal fees MS has had to pay over the years defending their bundling of IE with Windows should keep them from repeating the same mistake. Just look at the heated debate over having their search engine as the default. I also think it's unfortunate that non-Windows developers (operating purely in Linux environments, for example) are forced to purchase a copy of Windows merely so they can test their sites and applications in IE. The primary reason the majority of Internet users use the less well designed, less secure, and less stable IE over far more sophisticated alternatives based on the Gecko and KTHML engines is because historically IE was bundled with Windows. That marketing induced differential aside, the best performing, most secure, and standards compliant browsers would be dominating the market today and making a web developer's life (and a user's) a whole lot easier. That’s exactly the problem – a browser should not be tied into an OS. The legal fees MS has had to pay over the years defending their bundling of IE with Windows should keep them from repeating the same mistake. Just look at the heated debate over having their search engine as the default.

I also think it’s unfortunate that non-Windows developers (operating purely in Linux environments, for example) are forced to purchase a copy of Windows merely so they can test their sites and applications in IE.

The primary reason the majority of Internet users use the less well designed, less secure, and less stable IE over far more sophisticated alternatives based on the Gecko and KTHML engines is because historically IE was bundled with Windows. That marketing induced differential aside, the best performing, most secure, and standards compliant browsers would be dominating the market today and making a web developer’s life (and a user’s) a whole lot easier.

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By: Joe http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/comment-page-1/#comment-8766 Joe Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:44:02 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/#comment-8766 "I can’t see why Microsoft don’t allow you to run multiple versions side by side like firefox or opera. It’s just frustrating for us developers who Microsoft don’t seem to care enough about." Oh, please. Take a look at the myriad of developer resources Microsoft offers for free and then see if they care about developers. And if you can't understand why you can't run both of them side by side, you obviously know very little about IE. It's tied deep in the operating system. It functions as much more than just a browser. It's not a matter of Microsoft 'allowing' you to do something. It's a matter of something simply not being possible. If you were one of 'us developers', you would've understood that. “I can’t see why Microsoft don’t allow you to run multiple versions side by side like firefox or opera. It’s just frustrating for us developers who Microsoft don’t seem to care enough about.”

Oh, please. Take a look at the myriad of developer resources Microsoft offers for free and then see if they care about developers. And if you can’t understand why you can’t run both of them side by side, you obviously know very little about IE. It’s tied deep in the operating system. It functions as much more than just a browser.

It’s not a matter of Microsoft ‘allowing’ you to do something. It’s a matter of something simply not being possible. If you were one of ‘us developers’, you would’ve understood that.

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By: Asp_net_2_0_Rocks http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/comment-page-1/#comment-6467 Asp_net_2_0_Rocks Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:58:38 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/#comment-6467 I’ve installed IE7 beta3 and then have standalone executables for IE6 and IE5.5 but they dont run together very well. any ideas? I’ve installed IE7 beta3 and then have standalone executables for IE6 and IE5.5 but they dont run together very well. any ideas?

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By: Wayne http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/comment-page-1/#comment-4252 Wayne Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:53:30 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/#comment-4252 The problem that I have with installing virtual PC is you need to have a licence for windows. This is why microsoft are giving virtual PC away for free. They want you to buy another copy of windows. I can't see why Microsoft don't allow you to run multiple versions side by side like firefox or opera. It's just frustrating for us developers who Microsoft don't seem to care enough about. The problem that I have with installing virtual PC is you need to have a licence for windows. This is why microsoft are giving virtual PC away for free. They want you to buy another copy of windows. I can’t see why Microsoft don’t allow you to run multiple versions side by side like firefox or opera. It’s just frustrating for us developers who Microsoft don’t seem to care enough about.

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By: Chris Hester http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/comment-page-1/#comment-3765 Chris Hester Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:59:49 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/#comment-3765 Note about Virtual PC: "It runs on Windows XP Professional and Windows 2000 Professional." Note about Virtual PC: “It runs on Windows XP Professional and Windows 2000 Professional.”

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By: Jeremy http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/comment-page-1/#comment-3659 Jeremy Sat, 19 Aug 2006 01:09:43 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/#comment-3659 In the excerpt, you have written "The Toolkit requires a genuine registered copy of Windows Vista, Windows Server 2003, <em>and</em> XP." This implies that you need a copy of all three. Shouldn't it read "The Toolkit requires a genuine registered copy of Windows Vista, Windows Server 2003, <em>or</em> XP."? In the excerpt, you have written “The Toolkit requires a genuine registered copy of Windows Vista, Windows Server 2003, and XP.”

This implies that you need a copy of all three. Shouldn’t it read “The Toolkit requires a genuine registered copy of Windows Vista, Windows Server 2003, or XP.”?

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By: Brad Seo http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/comment-page-1/#comment-3123 Brad Seo Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:32:33 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/#comment-3123 Perhaps it is still early days but I am quietly happy with what IE have produced this time around particularly in the area of standards. It could have been a lot worst. I'll still continue to use Firefox though. Perhaps it is still early days but I am quietly happy with what IE have produced this time around particularly in the area of standards. It could have been a lot worst. I’ll still continue to use Firefox though.

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By: Jamie http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/comment-page-1/#comment-3082 Jamie Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:29:56 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/#comment-3082 I've installed IE7 beta3 (and beta2 prior to that) and then have standalone executables for IE6 and IE5.5. There's no need for registry hacking and they happily all run at the same time. I don't use IE7 with force though, also have FireFox for my day-to-day internet browsing. I’ve installed IE7 beta3 (and beta2 prior to that) and then have standalone executables for IE6 and IE5.5. There’s no need for registry hacking and they happily all run at the same time.

I don’t use IE7 with force though, also have FireFox for my day-to-day internet browsing.

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By: Ivan http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/comment-page-1/#comment-2293 Ivan Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:19:12 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/#comment-2293 I was checking designs on my other pc with ie6 and sometimes calling my friend to check it with older IE .... sad :( I was checking designs on my other pc with ie6 and sometimes calling my friend to check it with older IE …. sad :(

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By: Nick Fitzsimons http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/comment-page-1/#comment-2265 Nick Fitzsimons Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:26:58 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/13/internet-explorer-7-readiness-toolkit/#comment-2265 Not only is Virtual PC available on Windows, but Microsoft have just made it a <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx" rel="nofollow">free download</a>! @Emil: on a number of occasions, the <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/" rel="nofollow">IE Team</a> have said in response to comments that they recommend using Virtual PC for testing multiple IE versions, and that side-by-side installations of different versions are not supported. Personally, I've not had any problems running versions 5 and 5.5 alongside 6 for testing, but getting 6 and 7 to co-exist hasn't really worked out for me (yet). But as VPC is now free, it makes sense to use that from now on. Not only is Virtual PC available on Windows, but Microsoft have just made it a free download!

@Emil: on a number of occasions, the IE Team have said in response to comments that they recommend using Virtual PC for testing multiple IE versions, and that side-by-side installations of different versions are not supported. Personally, I’ve not had any problems running versions 5 and 5.5 alongside 6 for testing, but getting 6 and 7 to co-exist hasn’t really worked out for me (yet). But as VPC is now free, it makes sense to use that from now on.

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